I have put this suggestion to my friend, and let you know what he comes back with.

Many thanks

And what about a castle in Ireland? It looks if the flagg with the cross of Saint Patrick is on top of the castle. Unfortunately I can not find my books about Ireland.

 

ipflo

Welcome Ipflo!! more down in the Tavern

Welcome Ipflo!! more down in the Tavern

 

Thanks

 

Got it. Could not find the Irish books, but then remembered that Jersey has the same flag:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Jersey

 

I liked the following story 'Among the legends are a story that a mistranslation from Dutch of the word Erse ("Irish") in a Dutch chart endowed Ierse (Jersey) with a cross of St. Patrick by mistake. '

 

Or did I remember the castle first:

 

Mont Orgueil Castle

 

All the pictures I find are from land, and the building has changed a little bit (some of the homes are destroyed), but this should be the castle

 

http://www.jeron.je/thatwasjersey/castlefiles/AH013big.jpg

 

http://www3.sympatico.ca/locsound/champart/

 

http://www.cipostcard.co.nz/jersey/orgueil.htm

 

http://www.jamd.com/search?assettype=g&amp...+Orgueil+Castle <--- flag still on top

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...r%2C_Jersey.jpg

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...m_the_south.jpg

 

ipflo

I agree, the flag is a good clue, but balance it with the Fez? Or is it just that red caps were popular in Jersey! :blink:

There are a great many similar coastal fortified towns throughout Europe. In truth, it could be any number of places that the artist visited in his travels.

Yes, the more I look at the pics in your links, the more I'm convinced you're right. Well done that man.

Red tammies, (that's woolen hats), didn't know there were so many fellow Clyde fans in Jersey!

the 'fez' we see on the painting is probably some sort of a so called 'phrygian cap', a soft conical red cap, which was very popularly during the French revolution with the sans-culottes:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap

Thanks Ipflo. I'll certainly pass on this suggestion. I'll let you know what transpires. Well spotted about the saltire.

hi,

 

I have also checked the painting with Jersey Heritage. they gave me the following reply:

 

Thank you for your enquiry.

The artist John Wilson Carmichael ( 1799 -1868 ) was a war artist in the Crimean War he also visited and painted in Portsmouth, Isle of Wight, Calais, Dunkirk and the Channel Islands. He was primarily noted as a marine artist and his depiction of ships was highly accurate but his coastal scenes take a lot of licence. There are two known Channel Islands scenes The 78 -ton brigantine "the Advocate" off St Helier dated 1846 which shows Elizabeth Castle as a crenellated Medieval looking fortress and Shipping off Guernsey, near Prevost dated 1853.

There have been many depictions of Mont Orgueil some more accurate than others, we have approx 200 in our collection in many of which it would be hard to tell but for the fact that the artist has titled the work. I have attached an image of Seahorse and Cerebus off Mont Orgueil by J T Serres as an example.

So I am afraid that I cannot give you a definite answer one way or the other, but he did paint in Jersey and it is possible.

With best wishes

Val

Val Nelson

Registrar

Jersey Heritage

 

Jersey Museum, The Weighbridge, St Helier, Jersey JE2 3NF

Tel: +44 (0)1534 633324 Fax: +44 (0)1534 633301

 

A nice answer, but not as definitive as I hoped for.

 

ipflo